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Yeah as much as I like having them around, checking the town for more protection powers is prudent. Perry does our kill?

Do keep in mind these two possibilities; any potential doc could also be blocking Avos because of his role claim, and Avos bullshitting about his role in the first place. As was mentioned in thread he we be shot immediately after claiming vig by the real vig if he were to do that, but just saying it's a possibility.

So I am pretty sure, that we have now dealt with the town's protection. After Avos has made his defense, I am pretty sure that the roleblocker(if there is one) will take care of Avos. Doesn't mean we should stop trying to use his kill. Suggestion for tonight: have Avos shoot Eisen, Perry kills Weldar. For who to push for: act agressivly or chime in inbetween?

It's a bit soon to start thinking about the nightphase. We have no idea how today is going to turn out. A lot of people will probably jump on Avos and we might not have him at the nightphase anymore. Everybody knows he has a killpower now, but no one can tell if he's town or not (except for spont)

We'll have to be careful as to what we vote for and what we say in thread today, as accusations will probably be flying about. Avos will be under fire for killing off Raya for no good reason and Snake will be because people suspected him lying about being controlled.
We could divert suspiscion on to Johnny and DF as well, but we might better let that rest for a bit.

[10:42:23] Perrytheplatypus: guys, guys
[10:42:34] Relmitos: Yes?
[10:42:37] Fedaykin: Guy
[10:42:38] Perrytheplatypus: if you vote for snake, DF and Smash will look super scummy
[10:42:42] Perrytheplatypus: after he flips up town
[10:42:54] Perrytheplatypus: since they're SO CONVINCED he's mafia
[10:43:17] Perrytheplatypus: and it might save ansem since he just got the lead.... slightly because of me
[10:43:36] Relmitos: Whoever ties it up is totally boned for adding a townie to the lynch though
[10:43:50] Perrytheplatypus: don't tie it up, push it over the ledge towards snake
[10:44:01] Perrytheplatypus: you're 3 people, ansem only has a 2 vote lead
[10:44:04] Perrytheplatypus: XD
[10:44:09] Perrytheplatypus: nah, kidding
[10:44:12] Perrytheplatypus: that'd be suspiscious as fuck
[10:44:25] Relmitos: I was gonna bus Ansem; only real option at this point
[10:44:52] Perrytheplatypus: shouldn't bus him too hard
[10:45:02] Perrytheplatypus: just vote for something that won't really do much impact
[10:45:13] Perrytheplatypus: so that you're not trying to save him
[10:45:14] Fedaykin: No matter what i do
[10:45:19] Relmitos: "Hasn't really contributed much of anything" should cut it
[10:45:27] Perrytheplatypus: no, I mean
[10:45:32] Perrytheplatypus: vote for someone other than ansem
[10:45:37] Fedaykin: People will look at me next phase
[10:45:39] Perrytheplatypus: if ansem goes down with a landslide
[10:45:48] Perrytheplatypus: it'll just look like he's bussed
[10:46:04] Fedaykin: Relm should vote for him
[10:46:11] Relmitos: Everything is gonna go downhill after this phase, heh
[10:46:15] Perrytheplatypus: haha
[10:46:16] Fedaykin: I find something else
[10:46:17] Perrytheplatypus: naaaaaah
[10:46:20] Perrytheplatypus: okay
[10:46:31] Perrytheplatypus: relm can, fed, you vote for.... me or something
[10:46:39] Perrytheplatypus: oh no wait
[10:46:40] Fedaykin: Yeah
[10:46:42] Perrytheplatypus: johnny switched
[10:46:45] Perrytheplatypus: so
[10:46:48] Perrytheplatypus: idk
[10:46:52] Perrytheplatypus: well, you still can
[10:46:59] Perrytheplatypus: just dont make too good of a point
[10:47:13] Relmitos: Wait
[10:47:29] Relmitos: Where did Johnny switch, I still see him voting Ansem
[10:47:40] Fedaykin: Perry got ninjad
[10:48:03] Perrytheplatypus: he first voted for me, relm
[10:48:07] Perrytheplatypus: his switch was to ansem
[10:48:09] Relmitos: Oh
[10:48:09] Fedaykin: The Ninja got ninjad *tape laughter*
[10:48:17] Relmitos: I read ya
[10:49:32] Fedaykin: Who does DF vote?
[10:49:41] Fedaykin: Does she already?
[10:49:47] Perrytheplatypus: she voted snake
[10:49:48] Relmitos: She's on Snake
[10:49:51] Perrytheplatypus: together with smash
[10:49:57] Perrytheplatypus: on bs reasons, if you ask me
[10:50:09] Perrytheplatypus: so if snake turns out townie, they'll both be interesting to pressure
[10:50:11] Fedaykin: So 3 votes on snake
[10:50:16] Perrytheplatypus: no, 2
[10:50:23] Relmitos: She claimed double vote
[10:50:28] Fedaykin: Df has double
[10:50:31] Relmitos: Well, Req did anyway
[10:50:36] Perrytheplatypus: are we sure on that, though
[10:50:42] Fedaykin: Yeah
[10:50:45] Perrytheplatypus: okay
[10:50:50] Perrytheplatypus: vote for snake, be my guest
[10:51:47] Fedaykin: Meh if Ansem dies and i cause snakes death
[10:51:54] Fedaykin: I'll be next

Okay, after this dayphase, it'll like be 4 of us against 12 townies and Fed suspects that he'll go down the next phase.

So we should really start making these kills count. Hopefully Avos won't be blocked, and if we just hit precise targets we can perhaps even save fed the next dayphase.

I'm thinking we should thin down the herd whilst also getting rid of hardcore players. DF and smash can be thrown under a lynch once snake turns up as a townie.
So perhaps we can make Avos shoot Snake, whilst we kill Johnny as Relm has been suggesting the entire game?

I approve of this game plan

Just making a note here for when and if people might read the mafia forum later.

Weaksauce that everyone is just hiding behind the spont mode, and is now acting on bandwagons and hunches. I seem to be the guy that people always think is mafian just because of my behaviour, but normally when there's a discussion going I can at least represent myself well. In this predicament it's just rather lame how everyone is going with it.

More mafia scheming, straight to you from Skype

[6:58:29 AM] Fedaykin: You know
[6:58:41 AM] Fedaykin: I bet Weldar is cult now
[6:58:49 AM] Relmitos: Of course he is
[6:59:09 AM] Relmitos: I'll be shocked and surprised if he isn't
[6:59:43 AM] Fedaykin: Gonna be interesting
[6:59:56 AM] Fedaykin: You know
[7:00:02 AM] Relmitos: He's currently in that state where no one's going to try to lynch him
[7:00:13 AM] Fedaykin: I believe he was cult from the start
[7:00:29 AM] Fedaykin: The cult recruiter
[7:00:37 AM] Perrytheplatypus: weldar and spoon are cult
[7:00:40 AM] Perrytheplatypus: thats pretty obvious
[7:00:45 AM] Fedaykin: Of course
[7:01:00 AM] Perrytheplatypus: td went for q the first night, but q got killed
[7:01:01 AM] Fedaykin: If my theory is correct
[7:01:04 AM] Perrytheplatypus: then he went after weldar
[7:01:06 AM] Perrytheplatypus: then after spoon
[7:01:08 AM] Perrytheplatypus: easy as that
[7:01:08 AM] Fedaykin: Avos is too
[7:01:14 AM] Perrytheplatypus: likely
[7:01:25 AM] Perrytheplatypus: next nightphase will be Q
[7:01:32 AM] Perrytheplatypus: who will be all too flattered by it
[7:02:40 AM] Relmitos: So, like
[7:02:47 AM] Relmitos: All that's preventing a cult win is the maf
[7:02:50 AM] Fedaykin: i'm just amazed how quickly this mafia fell apart
[7:03:32 AM] Relmitos: Considering how we never covered each others backs? Agree, /sign, bought the t-shirt
[7:04:01 AM] Relmitos: No doubt they'll sniff me out tomorrow
[7:04:11 AM] Fedaykin: eh
[7:04:15 AM] Fedaykin: not necessarily
[7:05:05 AM] Fedaykin: let's see if our scanning as innocents does any difference
[7:05:30 AM] Fedaykin: probably not, when spoon is cult
[7:06:28 AM] Relmitos: Spoon scanned you already
[7:06:33 AM] Relmitos: I think
[7:06:45 AM] Relmitos: He posted a list of suspects
[7:06:47 AM] Relmitos: And
[7:06:53 AM] Relmitos: Even with all the finger pointing at you
[7:06:57 AM] Fedaykin: i was missing, right
[7:06:59 AM] Relmitos: Your not on his suspect list
[7:07:26 AM] Fedaykin: this might help tomorrow
[7:08:05 AM] Fedaykin: thanks
[7:08:44 AM] Relmitos: We need to discuss target
[7:09:10 AM] Relmitos: I'd almost suggest shooting you since A.) You won't die
[7:09:16 AM] Relmitos: B.) Q is dead set positive your maf
[7:09:28 AM] Relmitos: C.) He's the busser, and probably figures we'll target him again
[7:09:36 AM] Fedaykin: actually, this is a good plan
[7:09:41 AM] Relmitos: Problem is, we can't say 100% he'll do it
[7:09:46 AM] Fedaykin: camilla, do i survive any ammount of kills?
[7:09:54 AM] Relmitos: So if he doesn't, we've just wasted a NK
[7:09:54 AM] Fedaykin: even if avos would target me?
[7:10:29 AM] Fedaykin: also vote manip
[7:10:31 AM] Fedaykin: use or not use
[7:10:41 AM] Relmitos: No reason not to
[7:10:53 AM] Fedaykin: yes, but on who for who?
[7:11:15 AM] Relmitos: Q's not gonna let up on you, we both know it
[7:11:25 AM] Relmitos: Neither will Weldar
[7:11:29 AM] Relmitos: So either of them
[7:11:38 AM] Relmitos: Again I'd suggest Smash
[7:11:52 AM] Relmitos: Minby's not a good choice for this, DF isn't either
[7:12:06 AM] Relmitos: Eisen's just not been capable of playing for one reason or another
[7:12:10 AM] Relmitos: Those three are flat out
[7:12:19 AM] Relmitos: Smash voting himself is an obvious trap
[7:12:33 AM] Relmitos: That leaves Q Weldar Surge Avos
[7:12:34 AM] Relmitos: Spoon
[7:15:58 AM] Relmitos: If all goes according to plan with the NK
[7:16:00 AM] Relmitos: Q's out
[7:16:08 AM] Relmitos: Spoon is the least likely to drop a vote on Fed
[7:16:18 AM] Relmitos: Cop scan and what not
[7:16:30 AM] Relmitos: That leaves Weldar, Avos and Surge
[7:16:37 AM] Relmitos: Surge has been........you know
[7:16:40 AM] Relmitos: Voting dead guys
[7:17:10 AM] Relmitos: So unless we want to control Avos, only real choice is Weldar
[7:17:44 AM] Fedaykin: which will just make me look more shifty, if he votes anybody but me
[7:18:07 AM] Relmitos: Avos then?
[7:18:45 AM] Fedaykin: but on who should we make people vote that doesn't look like an attempt to save me?
[7:19:11 AM] Fedaykin: because if that is figured out, it just draws more votes on me
[7:19:32 AM] Fedaykin: if we make somebody vote for me
[7:19:42 AM] Relmitos: Could sic him on Surge, since Surge is next on Spoon's hit list
[7:19:44 AM] Fedaykin: they'll just figure it is the same trick as with av
[7:20:16 AM] Relmitos: If they think it's the same trick
[7:20:27 AM] Relmitos: (and if Avos spills the beans like Snake did, of course)
[7:20:36 AM] Relmitos: They'll pile votes on him
[7:20:47 AM] Relmitos: Maybe not next phase, but
[7:20:50 AM] Relmitos: Yeah
[7:21:06 AM] Fedaykin: let's just say, i am probably dead
[7:21:12 AM] Relmitos: I know
[7:21:16 AM] Fedaykin: no matter what we do
[7:21:26 AM] Relmitos: I hate to say it, but
[7:21:33 AM] Fedaykin: you gotta be realistic
[7:21:56 AM] Relmitos: At this point it's basically me against a growing cult, assuming someone other then Td is actually the recruiter
[7:21:59 AM] Fedaykin: it would probably be wiser, if you don't act at all
[7:22:10 AM] Fedaykin: you could be tracked
[7:22:18 AM] Relmitos: Good point
[7:22:20 AM] Relmitos: Well made
[7:22:53 AM] Fedaykin: and if i get tracked and don't get driven
[7:23:09 AM] Relmitos: "Fedaykin has acted on himself"
[7:23:12 AM] Relmitos: Would be funny
[7:23:27 AM] Fedaykin: could have nice outcomes
[7:23:39 AM] Fedaykin: if it really works this way
[7:23:40 AM] Relmitos: I could see it working nicely, actually
[7:24:05 AM] Fedaykin: camilla, we are done
[7:24:08 AM] Fedaykin: i shoot myself

For everyone's entertainment that decides to read this forum, I spent time just putting my thoughts on this night phase into writing. Here. Wasn't talking to anyone, just expressing thoughts.

[5:07:04 PM] Relmitos: Anyways, my current thought on the matter at hand
[5:07:24 PM] Relmitos: Players left are Me Spoon DF Surge Weldar Smash Avos Minby and Q
[5:07:38 PM] Relmitos: I NEED Avos gone, he's going to shoot at me Surge or Smash
[5:09:00 PM] Relmitos: Problem here is
[5:09:19 PM] Relmitos: I HIGHLY expect Q to bus Avos with one of his suspects
[5:11:12 PM] Relmitos: Should he do that though, he himself is exposed
[5:12:15 PM] Relmitos: Would he be willing to risk that
[5:12:19 PM] Relmitos: Is the question
[5:16:14 PM] Relmitos: I'll have to just gamble on something
[5:16:17 PM] Relmitos: I'll figure it out
[5:22:00 PM] Relmitos: People I know I don't want dead by my hands this phase, at least
[5:22:07 PM] Relmitos: Are Spoon and Minby
[5:22:19 PM] Relmitos: With Fed flipping Godfather, they won't suspect another maf that scans inno
[5:22:48 PM] Relmitos: For the vote control
[5:22:54 PM] Relmitos: I really, really want to send DF after Weldar
[5:23:43 PM] Relmitos: Actually, sending Spoon or Minby after Weldar will be ideal
[5:23:48 PM] Relmitos: They're both "cops"
[5:24:02 PM] Relmitos: And if they're made to act like they have a valid reason for voting him
[5:24:22 PM] Relmitos: People are gonna have to assume that Weldar scanned scum of sorts
[5:24:34 PM] Relmitos: I'm thinking Spoon on Weldar now
[5:28:26 PM] Relmitos: I think I'll shoot at Q, actually
[5:28:47 PM] Relmitos: I know Avos needs to die, really really seriously
[5:29:02 PM] Relmitos: But I really think he's going to get bussed
[5:29:53 PM] Relmitos: Surely Q's aware that if there is any remaining mafians, they're going to want the vig gone with the increasingly small playerbase left
[5:36:05 PM] Relmitos: I do believe that I've decided the correct course of action
[5:36:43 PM] Relmitos: I believe that if I sick Spoon on Weldar good things might happen, so I want to do that
[5:37:07 PM] Relmitos: Just please, for the love of all that is good and holy, heavily stress that he's not supposed to indicate mind control and act like he's seriously scum hunting
[5:38:13 PM] Relmitos: Yeah
[5:38:19 PM] Relmitos: That's one of two decisions I need to make
[5:43:10 PM] Relmitos: I think I've decided
[5:44:30 PM] Relmitos: It's hard as hell to even imagine what Q would do, as every time I come across something that I think he's going to, he just doesn't do it, or something stupid happens instead
[5:44:32 PM] Relmitos: But
[5:44:38 PM] Relmitos: I feel he's more likely to bus Avos
[5:44:42 PM] Relmitos: Gun down Q
[5:44:47 PM] Relmitos: Final answer

Might I suggest not doing anything at all?

A lot of people are considering Fed to have been the last mafia. Let it play onto the cult for now, would be my bet.

Not killing Avos when we had the chance is probably what's going to kill me tonight, is the problem.

More from Skype, for your viewing entertainment. My thoughts on the current phase proceedings:

[6:49:21 PM] Relmitos: GOOD GOD
[6:49:25 PM] Relmitos: WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!
[6:49:38 PM] Relmitos: Go afk to play New Super Mario Bros Wii U with Orland
[6:49:42 PM] Relmitos: and holy shit
I might actually pull this off
[6:49:51 PM] Relmitos: I NEED Surge dead
[6:49:55 PM] Relmitos: and I need him to flip Town
[6:49:57 PM] Relmitos: If he flips town
[6:50:00 PM] Relmitos: Avos might not shoot me
[6:50:09 PM] Relmitos: Because Spoon will be the correct cop
[6:50:16 PM] Relmitos: And I gotta tell ya
[6:50:29 PM] Relmitos: Minby's response to Spoon's Weldar vote was priceless

ZOMG, I just counted!
[6:53:07 PM] Relmitos: I CAN WIN
[6:53:12 PM] Relmitos: IF
[6:53:13 PM] Relmitos: IF IF IF
[6:53:28 PM] Relmitos: Surge flips town, he is telling the truth and is lover, Smash also falls
[6:53:45 PM] Relmitos: Avos will go "Ohey, Minby must also be maf by Surge's logic" and shoots Minby and not me
[6:53:47 PM] Relmitos: I gun down Avos
[6:53:53 PM] Relmitos: That leaves me, Spoon, Weldar, DF
[6:53:56 PM] Relmitos: DF has double vote
[6:54:01 PM] Relmitos: I have vote control
[6:54:02 PM] Relmitos: I WIN
[6:54:05 PM] Relmitos: Assuming no one is lying

Surge needs to hang. Surge MUST hang.

Straight from the vig: "I say it's a viable gamble to lynch Surge as he has that scum scan against him. If they both die and turn up town, I can shoot Minby tonight."

Assuming Surge and DF isn't lying, if the above statement happens. Mafia. Victory.

Yeah, I've been busy scheming and planning since I've gone solo.

[7:35:43 AM] Relmitos: Current situation as I see it
[7:36:21 AM] Relmitos: The first bits will be obvious statements, but bear with me
[7:36:31 AM] Relmitos: I just need to get this all on paper
[7:37:37 AM] Relmitos: Today's lynch will either be Minby or Surge. If neither are lying about their claim, here is what I can forsee happening
[7:38:00 AM] Relmitos: Minby will flip cop, and since Spoon didn't flip sane/insane cop, I doubt Minby will as well, so people will still be confused
[7:38:27 AM] Relmitos: If Surge hangs, as Avos promised, Minby will be dead overnight, and if Surge isn't lying, Smash will also die
[7:38:40 AM] Relmitos: This brings it down to me, DF, Spoon, and Weldar, because I am taking out Avos
[7:38:44 AM] Relmitos: And Avos WILL die
[7:38:48 AM] Relmitos: Smash or Surge is the doctor
[7:38:55 AM] Relmitos: If Avos is telling the truth and he shot at Surge
[7:38:58 AM] Relmitos: Surge got doc blocked
[7:39:16 AM] Relmitos: If Surge is telling the truth and he IS lover bonded with Smash, they can communicate with each other
[7:39:50 AM] Relmitos: Should this be the case, after Q made it a point to stress that Avos should pop a cap into one of 3 people's asses, Surge being one of them, it would make sense to throw a block onto the lover that could potentially be shot
[7:41:26 AM] Relmitos: I'll be surprised if neither Smash or Surge is a doc
[7:41:40 AM] Relmitos: Here is where it comes down to Avos, should Minby hang instead of Surge
[7:42:07 AM] Relmitos: It's a 50/50 on if he shoots at Surge or Smash
[7:42:32 AM] Relmitos: Personally if I were him I'd take a shot at Smash
[7:43:22 AM] Relmitos: Now, in the event that it proceeds like I have just described
[7:43:27 AM] Relmitos: And everyone is telling the truth
[7:43:35 AM] Relmitos: That leaves me, Weldar, Spoon, and DF
[7:43:49 AM] Relmitos: This night, I'll be vote controlling DF to go after Spoon
[7:44:01 AM] Relmitos: Weldar, with any luck, will hunt down Spoon because I made Spoon vote him today
[7:44:27 AM] Relmitos: Since Spoon decided to not give ANY reason for voting Weldar
[7:44:29 AM] Relmitos: He just did
[7:44:50 AM] Relmitos: Funny thing is
[7:45:02 AM] Relmitos: Weldar is avoiding assisting the current lynch targets as well
[7:45:33 AM] Relmitos: So the sheer question is, who am I more likely to get the assistance of in the event that DF is lying about her vote
[7:50:09 AM] Relmitos: I'll probably have to gamble on the Spoon against Weldar or Weldar against Spoon part of that last train of thought
[7:50:50 AM] Relmitos: I'm leaning more toward Weldar against Spoon though
[7:52:19 AM] Relmitos: That's what I forsee happening if Surge should hang

[7:52:30 AM] Relmitos: If Minby hangs, here we have a problem
[7:52:46 AM] Relmitos: At this point Avos is unpredictable
[7:53:16 AM] Relmitos: I'm not sure if he'd actually go after Surge or Smash in the first place if Minby hung
[7:53:32 AM] Relmitos: Then there's the doc block theory even if he does
[7:53:51 AM] Relmitos: Should he be blocked, then it gets down to me DF Surge Smash Weldar Spoon
[7:54:03 AM] Relmitos: THIS is a problem, the big problem
[7:54:07 AM] Relmitos: I'm not sure what I'll do here
[7:54:43 AM] Relmitos: I know I won't attack Surge or Smash, that's out of the question
[7:55:46 AM] Relmitos: If DF doesn't change her vote within, say, 12-14 hours, I will
[7:55:58 AM] Relmitos: If I keep my vote on Surge, it's probably not gonna look good for me

moar.

[7:39:44 AM] Relmitos: Well
[7:39:55 AM] Relmitos: This just went from theoretically possible to "I'm screwed"
[7:41:14 AM] Relmitos: I can still see this happening if
[7:41:36 AM] Relmitos: Avos puts down Surge/Smash, Minby scans me as inno
[7:41:50 AM] Relmitos: If that happens, I may stand a chance
[7:41:57 AM] Relmitos: Also
[7:41:59 AM] Relmitos: Wow
[7:42:04 AM] Relmitos: I was NOT expecting Weldar to be town
[7:42:42 AM] Relmitos: Just a few notes
[7:43:03 AM] Relmitos: " I'm going to have to shoot fast cause whoever the mafian is is definitely going to kill me now that Quaetam is gone." -Avos
[7:43:06 AM] Relmitos: Ya god damn right I am
[7:43:57 AM] Relmitos: There was something funny about one of Weldar's posts, I just have to find it now
[7:47:42 AM] Relmitos: Bah
[7:47:49 AM] Relmitos: While his theory's aren't bad ones
[7:47:54 AM] Relmitos: They're just totally wrong
[7:48:29 AM] Relmitos: I'm trying to decide who I want to send DF after
[7:50:19 AM] Relmitos: I could sic her on Minby, Spoon/Surge/Smash would follow up on that, most likely
[7:50:51 AM] Relmitos: I could sic her on Surge though
[7:51:18 AM] Relmitos: If Avos fails to kill Surge while I put Avos down
[7:51:36 AM] Relmitos: Minby would definitely continue his attack on Surge
[7:51:56 AM] Relmitos: With me and DF, that puts Surge at 3 or 4 votes
[7:52:03 AM] Relmitos: Depending on the double vote
[7:52:32 AM] Relmitos: Even between Spoon Surge and Smash, they couldn't save him
[7:52:57 AM] Relmitos: If Minby insisted on following his scan, anyway
[7:53:46 AM | Edited 7:53:56 AM] Relmitos: If Avos DOES manage to kill Surge and Smash if I do that though, DF is unaffected and does w/e she wants, which could end poorly for me
[7:55:13 AM] Relmitos: I shouldn't even be thinking about this though, is the sad thing
[7:55:23 AM] Relmitos: My only real course of action that has any hope of succeeding
[7:55:37 AM] Relmitos: Is killing Avos and sending DF to vote on Minby
[7:56:55 AM] Relmitos: Still a shame though; I was hoping to test out DF's double vote there